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From Muravyov to Millionka - 2
Khabarovsk and Vladivostok are two rooms in one house. The wall of which is sometimes knocked with a hammer
The capitals of the Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories are the same antagonists as Moscow and Peter (they, incidentally, also got it!), Only in the far eastern corner of the country. Here its battle of shaverm and curbs, its Sobyanin, and their come in large numbers. We are divided 760 km, a century and a half of rivalry and ... love, sometimes full of neighborhood complexes. EastRussia held a virtual meeting, where people from different spheres responded to 16 with the same questions about Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. No representative sample and attempts at objectivity - we confidently shift all responsibility to our interlocutors Dina Voronkov (journalist), Dmitry Bogdanchikova (entrepreneur) and Anton Povreznyuk (photographer, climate company manager).
Dinah: In Khabarovsk you go out on Friday night to Karl Marx, and you are bald: what little girls, beauties, how dressed! And since we are all the same, we are Far Easterners! We learn in any other place in the country. My father once was in Anapa, where at the first glance he computed his countrymen - for some special glance. And we are as cracked as they are.
Dmitriy: In Khabarovsk very beautiful girls. There must be some advantages!
Anton: Let my fellow countrymen throw me slippers, but in Khabarovsk Krai women are more beautiful! I came to Khabarovsk territory at the time and married a girl from Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
11. Remember the jokes, trolling about the rivalry between Vladivostok and Khabarovsk, and what frighten the "come in large numbers".
Photo: city day in Khabarovsk. Lena Vertyankina.
Dinah: In Vladivostok, Khabarovsk is called Estonian. They believe that we are slow, braking Khabarovsk citizens. Even in the city we have everything calmly, measuredly, and there is vanity, running around. At me the girl-friend in Khabarovsk in due time has started trade in children's things. She sent me the goods, I sold it in Vladivostok. I was very surprised when she told me that I do not know about the buses traveling by bus somewhere, from the CAF base to the South. I'll come, kiss the door, call, and they say: oh, I forgot, today it will not work! People in Khabarovsk do not appreciate the time and effort of each other. In Vladivostok, if you have an agreement with a person, then you will meet a business approach. We have a counter that bears on the shopping center are walking, I had a picture with a bear in the supermarket, even for one Moscow presentation about Khabarovsk. And what about Vladivostok? There is nothing to boast about.
Dmitriy: We do not need to compete; on the contrary, we need to unite and bend some common line, because we are two big cities in the Far East, at one end of Russia, and the nearest major cities are only Novosibirsk and Chita, they are very far away. We need to consolidate our efforts and develop together.
Anton: First, it's chipmunk, a small tiger. My father built the BAM during the Soviet Union, and his friends were visiting. On the spot they are told: "Do not go there, the chipmunk walks!" "Who's that?" "Oh, he's a bear, he's a tiger's face, he loves a man very much, we're afraid of him, kapets!" They walked around, looked around, okay. At the very end, a girl comes, and says: "Oh, look, chipmunk!" They ticked at once, only they were seen. Now our memes are tigers on the streets of cities, and that we will be captured by the Chinese. My electronic friends travel all over Russia, a guy came with them. They say: "Be careful, it's the Cupid, the great Russian river, now the tigers will swim!" He really thought that we have tigers, and even sit on a leash. But after all, we really have tigers. Maybe in the taiga there is nothing to eat, who knows? Or you show in the networks pictures of a friend of Dima Kim, you say, here, please, the invaders! For Muscovites, they are all on the same face. Our mosquitoes also carry people to their nests and eat them there, and they believe this cranberry. Visitors are surprised that there is a civilization, people live, are surprised to our endemics, lemongrass, eleutherococcus. Recently got acquainted with Instagram-blogger, Brazilian, gave him our Schizandra. He asks what it is, I tell him, it's the Russian guarana, you eat the berry - you are gawking, you eat the root - it cracks.
12. Where is the climate more favorable for businessmen, start-ups, and easier to find a free niche?
Photo: FEFU (Vladivostok). Vasilina Samoylenko
Dinah: I did not start a business in Khabarovsk, but, again, according to the sensations, we are more conservative in Khabarovsk, more cautious, no matter how it happened. And the clients on whom everything is calculated, too, hesitate, do not even try to understand that in some kind of undertaking a new, cool. They say: "A chicken-feed!" - and everything collapses.
Dmitriy: In Vladivostok, a more economically active population, business is developing more dynamically. There, in this regard, moving in the city, and more. Economically, Vladivostok is much stronger, because it receives certain infusions, FEFU have built, develop the techno park "Russian". From the startup point of view, a powerful point of attraction is formed there. The closest such place is only in Moscow - it's Skolkovo, and Innopolis in Kazan, in the middle of Russia. To Primorye in the Far East this was not.
Naturally, before you open anything, you need to study the market. Even with high competition, and Vladivostok richer than Khabarovsk, there is more chance of developing its business where purchasing power is higher, a more economically active and financially independent population. It is necessary to look, what for a niche, - some of them are more convenient for occupying in Khabarovsk. Sometimes, some guys open the start-up, begin to develop, and then they come across the fact that the same project in Vladivostok has already been opened, had time to bend, because a very competitive environment and such a business simply does not work. In Vladivostok, there are top restaurants and hotels, plus the tourism industry is much more developed here than in our country. I find it difficult to single out a niche for Khabarovsk. The commercial sphere, production can be developed both there and there.
Anton: Yes, the same everywhere. We with the guys were engaged in business, it was very simple: buy and sell Japanese cars. We generally open a business in Russia, open our own business - it's like two fingers on the asphalt, and the ventilation and air-conditioning company, which in its time was opened almost on its knee, is now legendary. A small, but nevertheless, the city knows that we are doing either well or not at all. You can start anywhere, even in the village of Gadyukino, there would be a desire and a job. Eyes are afraid, hands are doing - and everything works out.
13. From the business climate - to the usual. Where are you more comfortable?
Photo: Gadfly attacked a car in the Khabarovsk taiga. Lena Vertyankina
Dinah: In Vladivostok, I for a long time could not get used to the fact that there is no midge, as in the Khabarovsk marshes. It was a shock. Difficult in Vladivostok, because the first part of the summer is fog and drizzle, it is unclear how to dress in the morning, so it was comfortable in the daytime and in the evening. But we had an apartment with a view of the sea, I could look out the window, and by the sight of the sea determine what the day would be. Cool, that there until October you can walk in T-shirts, when all around already freeze and tell how cold and disgusting they are. In Vladivostok I did not like that there was not enough snow, I came to Khabarovsk, drifts, the frost was creepy, but it was cool!
Dmitriy: Vladivostok is much warmer, although there is a wind, because the sea climate. There are more suns in Khabarovsk, but in terms of temperature in winter it's too harsh!
Anton: I prefer the climate of the seaside, it's warmer, and still most of the life I spent there. In Vladivostok, there are temperature differences between day and night, in Khabarovsk there are almost none, equally "nice", and without air conditioning it is difficult. Khabarovsk winter after the Komsomol - nonsense. In Vladivostok, the wife said, there is no winter at all. What kind of winter, if I walk in an autumn coat? In Khabarovsk, mosquitoes are angrier. Primorskie intelligent, they will fly, can you bite, and all that, and our - bydyshch! And it's ready. Komsomol mosquitoes do so in general, flocks attack.
14. Let's start the pontometer. Do the inhabitants of which of our two cities have higher conceit?
Photo: on the roads of Vladivostok. Valery Dichenko
Dinah: I would say that Khabarovsk. But I did not face it seriously, it seems to me, this is a humorous one.
Dmitriy: To the question of conceit, I immediately remember the Japanese. They support each other, remember, "the second on this street." I also think in this direction that our cities and its inhabitants do not have to compete, pick up their noses, everywhere there are pluses and minuses, one must be friends! We could jointly develop tourism, make joint branding of the Khabarovsk and Primorye Territories, because less than a thousand km between cities. You can develop entrepreneurial activities, make points of attraction of the joint conditional silicon valley, so that investments are made. And it is important that people from the region do not run.
Anton: Arriving in Khabarovsk, I was surprised at the amount of gold in public, and on men. Chains, rings, bracelets. But cars are more expensive all the same in Vladivostok, - Japan is close. Vladivostok is the best city in the world, on ... (c). If somewhere goes rolling on Vladivostok, I immediately, yes, we have a steering wheel sticking out of the glove box! By the way, Sergei Sim, the author of this song, has gone to Canada for three years. Last time I was in Vladivostok in December, passing through, but only came out on the station platform, sucked in air, tastefully! Vladivostok is far away, but this city is something like Nashen, as Vladimir Lenin said.
15. Compare the criminogenic situation of Khabarovsk and Vladivostok, where it is not terrible to walk at night?
Photo: night Vladivostok. Sergey Sablin
Dinah: Vladivostok was originally a closed city and did not have time to become very criminal. At night, I moved there and there, it's another matter that in Khabarovsk it was in a stormy youth, and I was lucky not to get into history. Once upon a time Gopnik were like a class, now they are not visible. Maybe they moved, or mimicked, bought the Lexus.
Dmitriy: Vladivostok is a more criminalized city, at least in terms of access to their market, a large business, and so on. How many times have I heard that there is more difficult with this case. This is unfair competition, their brands on the market, new obstacles are repaired if you have no contacts. There's an environment in which it's difficult to get into. I do not know the details, but I've heard repeatedly from various people connected with trade and public catering. With the rest I will not say, everyone is ready to cooperate. At night I would have strolled both here and there, DV is still not Somalia.
Anton: Now it is relatively safe everywhere, but a year ago a girl friend lived in Tikhaya in Vladivostok, the children came to her, imagine, get acquainted, talk for Tosi-Boshi, for they lived-they were Pivasik Zhigulevskoe and chips Zyaki-zyaki - they were really caricature characters! Cap-octagonal, training, dressed in panties. I do not know how to Khabarovsk, but in Vladivostok in 97-98 years the houses exploded. I remember the picture: we go by bus, there is Nissan Patrol smeared, past Mark II, right at the stop, a window opens, a line from the machine gun, they go on. And now "the bloody tyrant Putin has brought the country", it was easy to walk through the streets! We rented a hotel in one of the outlying areas, so there were "traveling salesmen", offered all kinds of garbage for 50 rubles, then irons, then something else. Why exactly this amount, because 50 rubles cost a dose of heroin, is cheaper than a bottle of vodka. And one day they offered us an iron for some, and on the other the iron door was folded with the Latin letter Y, and even spoons were taken out of the apartment.
16. Family life. In which of the two cities - Khabarovsk or Vladivostok - is it better to "nest", where is the quality of educational and medical services better?
Photo: Campus of the FEFU (Russky Island). Alexander Yablokov
Photo Shoot: Pacific State University (Khabarovsk)
Dinah: It's better in Khabarovsk. Purely physically somewhere to get from one place to another, to take the child easier. In old age, it is impossible to climb the slides, the slopes are slippery with snow. In Vladivostok, it's great to live as a student, it's the most fun for students! I love him dearly. We go there with her daughter on her birthday, and each time I have so much excitement and discovery, as if I was there for the first time.
Dmitriy: In this regard, the most comfortable in Sochi will be. It's warmer there, palm trees, there for the retirement age is good. I'm raising my children in Khabarovsk, everything is fine. In Vladivostok did not grow, with medicine and education there did not come across.
Anton: I'm for Khabarovsk! It seems to me that it is easier to arrange a child in a kindergarten here. I remember in Vladivostok for registration of the director it was necessary to give 20 thousand rubles "sponsorship". In terms of the school I can not say. On the infrastructure we have less hills, it's easier to get. In Vladivostok, I lived in Lugovoi, 50, here I live on Topograf, here it is - school, next to the school 51, 38, 16 ... it seems a lot. In terms of the quality of higher education, Vladivostok universities are steeper. Of course, we also have very steep FUG and FUGMU, but FEFU and VGUES do them.
The Primorsky answer to Khabarovsk residents is in our next materials.